Forum Activity for @Colin Green

Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/26/12 16:42:03
84 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Paul,

I have just posted that I think that part of the problem may be over filling too. I very much apprecviate your confirmation of the shellac back-to-back possibility too. I changed both of those variables (filling & shellac residue) and have a far improved result.

I don't use a shellac powder - I use a liquid (Capol 425M). I didn't know there was a powder and I'll keep that in mind. If you don't use shellac how do you seal the surfaces?

The chocolate is 62%. I use Sicao (sometime Barry Callebaut) 70% and also 55% and combine them to get it "just right" for the balance for coffee beans, which is what I mostly do. For simplicity I tend to stay with the same mix for all dark chcolare work. I had wondered if the mixture was a problem too but for now it remains a "possibility" to ponder next time.

You mention your environment. I have been over your various pictures and saved them for inspiration as I need to re-do my room. You have a very similar set-up to me as far as I can see but your wall surfaces and some of your equipment is better. Your pan seems about the same as mine - a bit smaller I think. You look really well organized! You have two pans?

In one of the pics you have two pipes leading into your pan - one will be cold air. What is the other one please (the flexible pipe).

Thanks again!

Colin

Paul Mosca
@Paul Mosca
07/26/12 11:02:14
18 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Colin,

I like your theory that there is a thin coat of shellac in the pan. The two surfaces collide. I've always panned with dark chocolate then reset and used ribs for polishing and shellac. It never occurred to me to shellac back to back. The weight and velocity impact with residual shellac theory feels right.

I'm not the best at polishing. Mostly due to limits in RH and environmental temp. I get breaking from over polishing a rather heavy center. I have not used a shellac powder.

What percent is the dark chocolate?

Cheers,

Paul

Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/26/12 06:31:24
84 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I tried your thought Jeremy, and reduced the amount in the pan - re-did in two batches. I got a far better result.

So maybe over-filling is the problem. I was careful to stay within the 15Kg limit but maybe it needs to be 12Kg (or so) for this line.

Thanks for your insight!

Colin :-)

Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/23/12 18:34:42
84 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Paul,

If I rub the product it polishes up reasonably. It SEEMS that the dark chocolate is so hard that there is pretty much no flexibility and as such the shellac powders but does not really create "stars" or kiss marks.

It's seemingly not coming up from below - that could have indicated water seeping through and interacting with the shellac but I don't think so. Have looked at this.

I don't have the problem to the same degree with choclate covered coffee beans but then they are much smaller and don't hit the side of the pan with the same velocity. The Capol rep experimented with speeding up the pan substantially (I run it at around 20rpm - he took it to about 40rpm) but the product started to break up and then the debris went through the batch making it worse. So he put more gum arabic on and we started again.

I THINK that part of the issue now may be that I already did a batch so there is a thin coating shellac in the pan and when the product hits that shellac coating the two surfaces together fracture.

I just feel that it's to do with the hardness and bittleness of the dark chocolate and then the shellac being harder again (isn't it??) exacerbating the problem until it simply won't work.

That said, I cannot believe that I am unique in the world with this silly problem!

Thanks again Paul

Colin

Paul Mosca
@Paul Mosca
07/23/12 07:40:11
18 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Colin,

That's cool that the rep from Capol stopped by to have a look. Dissapointing not to have an answer. I was going to guess that the RH might be off. 43% seems pretty good.

Are the dots kiss marks or does it look like something migrating from the under layer?

Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/22/12 21:30:28
84 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks so much for your interest Paul. The RH is around 43% and the temp around 17-18 Celsius. I am not using ribs as I have one pan that has to both build and polish with. I line the pan with chocolate. I did manage to get a batch reasonably polished but as soon as I introduced the shellac it all went to pieces - from a reasonable polish to many milky dots. I don't believe it is water related as I am really careful about that.

The rep from Capol was here on Friday and is as perplexed as I am. I think I am going to have to trash a whole load of chocolate covered raspberry jellies - lots of money and lots of time. It's very worrying and I don't seem to be winning at all.

Paul Mosca
@Paul Mosca
07/20/12 13:22:17
18 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Can you tell me the temp and relative humidity of your environment? Are you using ribs during polishing?

Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/16/12 21:18:58
84 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I don't think so Jeremy. I have loaded it up to 15Kg but it IS a thought in that some things are lighter than others.

With the freeze dried strawberries I had to reduce substantially. But these are heavier things - raspberry jellies, razzcherries etc.

I'll put this in mind. Am trying to do it now and I have ripped out so much hair that the room looks as though the dog has been fighting :-)

Thanks for your message :-)

Jeremy Rushane
@Jeremy Rushane
07/16/12 20:47:06
20 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

colin...

are you sure you pan is not overloaded? Just a thought.

-Jeremy

Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/12/12 02:48:44
84 posts

Panning Dark Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I am having some issues with panning dark chocolate and would really appreciate some help please.

I am using Sicao 62% (I blend 70% and 53% as that is all that my supplier can supply me). I have no real issue when I do coffee beans but when I pan razz cherries, raspberry jellies or freeze dried strawberries it's a different matter.

I can do any of these with milk or white chocolate simply by leaving the pan to run and bringing the atmospheric temperature up a bit towards the end of the panning process (to around 19 degrees C). This makes the chocolate plastic and it smooths beautifully so I can polish it.

But the dark gets hard and with products that "give" a bit, the chocolate tends to crack and/or the final shellac seal (Capol 425M) cracks and chips as the chocolate in the pan and the chocolate on the product are simply too hard. As I say, milk (36%) and white are no problem. Coffee beans, being hard themselves are OK too as the chocolate and seal does not need to flex. At least I THINK this is what is happening. (The strawberries are brittle so they can't "flex" either).

So, is there a way to make the dark chocolate more flexible and "plastic"? Or do I need a better technique? (Very possible!)

Forgot to mention that I am using the same stainless steel pan for both panning and polishing as it's all that I have. Many people have two pans but that's for another lifetime I think.

Thanks in advance if anyone can help!


updated by @Colin Green: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Darial C.
@Darial C.
07/09/12 12:34:47
4 posts

Thanks For Adding Me!


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Ok. I sure will. Thanks!
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
07/09/12 12:20:10
1,685 posts

Thanks For Adding Me!


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Darial:

Welcome to TheChocolateLife!

If you're not already a member, you might want to join the group "Startup Central" which focuses on issues related to starting and growing chocolate businesses.

:: Clay

Darial C.
@Darial C.
07/09/12 11:26:30
4 posts

Thanks For Adding Me!


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

I just want to thank the moderators for allowing me to join your community. I am here to learn all I can about the business of chocolate.My wife is...an artist-in every way. She paints, plays the piano, carves fruit, does hair, and now she wants to sell high-end sweets to the masses.Now, the mural business was easy (we also have a custom mural and wallpaper company MagicWallWrap.com), but I don't know anything about chocolate.So I look forward to gleaning from the professionals here.Thank you all, again,Darial
updated by @Darial C.: 04/13/15 01:07:05
Kay Owens
@Kay Owens
07/07/12 16:08:26
1 posts

Help locating cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Hi, don't know if you tried this, but there are people who sell them on eBay. The two vendore I saw were both selling pods from Hawaii. Hope this helps - good luck!

Thomas2
@Thomas2
07/05/12 11:58:43
1 posts

Help locating cocoa pods


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

I was wondering if anyone knew where I could buy
A couple freshly picked and fully ripped cocoa pods
I would pay for shipping and for the pods

[ Edited title to be more specific. OP is located in Oklahoma, USA. ]


updated by @Thomas2: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Lea2
@Lea2
07/05/12 04:42:22
1 posts

Help with choosing a logo


Posted in: Opinion

I am having a logo designed for my start-up chocolate company. I would like some opinions as to what logo people prefer.

So, if you can spare a few minutes to vote in this poll I would really appreciate it.

Thanks Lea


updated by @Lea2: 04/10/15 11:56:42
Laura Marion
@Laura Marion
07/14/12 03:46:47
27 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

you don't have chocolate but you could make a compound with acocoa butter replacement but it is not named chocolate it would be a "chocolatecompound" you would not need to temper it and in my opinion the taste would not be a match to chocolate the texter would bedifferentto

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
07/10/12 12:03:47
1,685 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You can use other fats - they are called CBEs (cocoa butter equivalents) or CBRs (cocoa butter replacements) and cocoa powder to make what's called "compound" "chocolate" (or coating). Legally in most countries (US, Europe, etc.) you can't call it chocolate because you're not using cocoa butter, you're using other fats.

Tinashe Chakawa
@Tinashe Chakawa
07/10/12 00:53:35
3 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I see. thanks for the help.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
07/10/12 00:35:31
527 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

No. Technically cocoa butter is the one ingredient that must exist in ALL chocolate - whether it's milk, dark, or white. Cocoa butter is the medium that suspends all of the little particles of solids, and has properties that other fats don't have.

Sorry. Without cocoa butter you don't have chocolate.

Tinashe Chakawa
@Tinashe Chakawa
07/10/12 00:11:15
3 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you for the responses. That indeed does clear things up! I used butter because I could not get cocoa butter. I live in Zimbabwe, and I have done a little researching over the past few days and have found out that we actually do not make/ have cocoa butter in Zimbabwe at all.Are there any less complex fats I can substitute for cocoa butter?

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
07/05/12 22:49:16
527 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

what you have is a buttercream icing that will work nicely on a cake. It isn't even close to chocolate.

Chocolate is a suspension of tiny particles of cocoa solids, sugar, and vanilla in cocoa butter, not real butter. The emulsifiers listed on bar wrappers are actually NOT emulsifying anything. They are actually coating the solid particles and allowing them to slide easier through the fat. It's a manufacturer's way of making the chocolate less expensive to produce, as it makes it more fluid without adding cocoa butter. Having said that, forget about the so-called emusifiers as they won't help you anyway.

Hope that helps explain things a bit better.

George Trejo
@George Trejo
07/05/12 01:01:03
41 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You're not making chocolate, your making some sort of frosting at best, but it sounds more like chocolate flavored butter.

Chocolate contains CACAO butter, not milk butter

You're using butter which is soft and has a lower melting point, cacao butter is solid, so when it's room temperature it is naturally hard. You'll never get butter to turn hard.

Tinashe Chakawa
@Tinashe Chakawa
07/05/12 00:15:08
3 posts

How can I make my chocolate solid?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi all,

I have tried to make milk chocolate about four times now using 2 different recipes. I am very happy with the taste of the chocolate, but the problem is- it will not become solid! I ahve placed batches in the fridge for hours ( even overnight) but when it come out, its still in a viscous liquid state.

For the ingredients I use: butter, icing sugar, cocoa powder, milk powder, and vanilla essence

I have studied chocolate wrappers and most contacin emulsifiers- could this be the missing link?

Any ideas what the problem might be?


updated by @Tinashe Chakawa: 04/11/25 09:27:36
aku lagi
@aku lagi
07/02/12 20:55:33
1 posts

The Health Benefits of Chocolate: Can Chocolate Benefit Your Health?


Posted in: Opinion

Can Chocolate really benefit your health?

or just make you more fat?

Chocolate: Best Seller Chocolate Candy Grocery & Gourmet Food


updated by @aku lagi: 04/09/15 22:26:54
Shannon Campbell
@Shannon Campbell
11/25/13 14:16:33
13 posts

Heat sources for making caramels


Posted in: Geek Gear - Cool Tools (Read-Only)

Our demand for caramel at the store was so high that we could no longer manage on the stove top. We maxed out at a 16 lb batch and it was killing us to lift and pour. I finally broke down and bought a Savage Firemixer 14. I can say without hesitation it was the single best investment I have made so far! Like a few other people have mentioned along the site, it did not initially work well with my recipe. We had to make a few adjustments to ingredient ratios -- we would absolutely not change our recipe because it is very very popular, but adjusting amounts of things here and there to help facilitate use of the machine worked to get rid of the graining problem we were having. And the people at Savage are eager to help; it's a small business and they are good to work with.

I'm in the market for an extruder next but I will likely be looking hardest at Savage for this one too (we'll see what the forum folks think!). I know it's a lot of money, and I know there are some cheaper ones out there but Savage has a ton of videos and documentation (plus a good reputation) and we are close to IL so we were able to go there and pick it up, saving a lot on freight. I'm glad I went with it.

If you have the need to dedicate and expand and the money to invest, the Firemixer was wonderful for us. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to someone.

Cassie Forrington
@Cassie Forrington
11/04/13 09:14:04
1 posts

Heat sources for making caramels


Posted in: Geek Gear - Cool Tools (Read-Only)

Hi Clay! Thanks for the article. I just moved into a new baking facility, and had planned on switching to induction. I make large quantities of caramel sauces and brittle. But the burner I have (1800W Itawani) doesn't seem to have a large enough heating element for the 20 qt stock pot I use. Plus it's not a constant heat, so the sugar on top cools down while the sugar on the bottom gets too hot. It's like stirring cold tar, and takes me twice as long as it did on my gas stovetop.

So the shop that you went to, they use the crepe makers as burners, for making caramel? I pretty much just turn the heat on high and leave it, at least with the brittle. The caramel sauces I tend to regulate the heat a little more, as melting dry sugar can be a bit finicky.

Have you had any more experience with the crepe makers? Do you think those would be my best bet? Or a higher powered induction burner would work? I'd love to get something from Savage Bros., but don't have the budget. I'm just at a loss for what to do, and it's quickly going to get in the way of production...

Thanks!

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
07/02/12 10:05:46
1,685 posts

Heat sources for making caramels


Posted in: Geek Gear - Cool Tools (Read-Only)

Sooner or later almost every confectioner starts thinking about making caramels. For many, caramels - especially salted caramels - are a cornerstone of their business.

I've seen them made lots of different ways, including on a regular stove top, but one thing I always come back to is that it's important to be able to regulate heat and apply it consistently. My home stove is not very good for this, and I've been contemplating getting an induction cooktop for this purpose. They are efficient and put out a steady, reliable heat. The only downside, I thought, was that induction cookers require special pots.

I learned that this was not the case recently talking to a friend who uses an induction cooker who told me that he has troubles with the cookers maintaining the heat he wants for long periods of time. Apparently, there is a cutoff circuit in some of the devices to keep them from overheating. To be fair, he's got a 120V 1000W machine, and he might not have a problem if he had one with more power, but that's not in his budget at the moment.

I was in my local gourmet shop over the weekend and I started talking to one of the owners, Ben, about the commercial crepe makers they were using. They have cast iron cooking surfaces (they retain heat real well) and, depending on the model, can go up to 450F-570F and keep it there all day long (in fact, the real knock against these machines is how long they take to cool down before they can be handled safely).

It seems to me that these would be a great alternative to induction cookers for people looking to make caramel as they accept any king of pot, get hot, and maintain a specific heat real well. There are versions that are much less expensive that are also made for commercial applications but I don't know if the price difference is a case of being penny wise and pound foolish.

One thing I learned from talking with Ben is that he uses his crepe makers for a lot of different cooking applications, including frying eggs to put in crepes. As long as what you're cooking isn't too runny or render out much fat, you can cook it directly on the surface of the crepe maker. This makes them, I think, a pretty versatile addition to a lot of confectionery kitchens, and in my current project I am recommending that one of the two induction cooktops be replaced with one of these crepe makers - and save a couple of hundred bucks at the same time.

Of course, if I was serious about making caramels and needed to make them all day every day, I'd plonk down whatever cash was necessary for a dedicated machine. The one that people keep talking to me about wanting to own is the Savage FireMixer . It may not be as retro-chic as making caramel in a copper kettle over an open gas fire, but when it comes to all-around convenience (including not having to install venting and fire suppression) this is the one that keeps calling to me.


updated by @Clay Gordon: 12/13/24 12:15:15
Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/04/12 05:38:31
84 posts

Controlling Relative Humidity when Polishing Panned Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi Edward,

I think that your physics teacher was right but something makes it much harder to get to a low RH at a low temperature. I don;t really understand it but I think it has to do with RELATIVE humidity versus absolute humidity.

I'm away from my business at the moment and don't have the cocoa butter content to hand right now so will get back when I return. The polishig agent is from CAPOL (5021 as I recall) and there is also the shellac layer to consider too.

Colin :-)

Edward J
@Edward J
07/03/12 21:05:54
51 posts

Controlling Relative Humidity when Polishing Panned Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

According to my old (very old) gr. 10 Physics teacher, the higher the temp, the more humidity it will carry. Thus, when I lived in Singapore, with an ambient temp of 30 C, the rh was around 95 %., but when I lived in Saskatchewan with winter temps of - 30 C the air was so dry my skin would crack

What kind of polishing agents are you using, and high of a cocoa butter content will they tolerate?

Colin Green
@Colin Green
07/02/12 07:11:40
84 posts

Controlling Relative Humidity when Polishing Panned Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

To get a good lustre on panned products I need to attain a Relative Humidity of aroung 45% and a temperature of around 17 degrees C. However the two seem to contradict each other - the lower the temperature the harder it is to reduvce the R/H.

What are others doing to achieve this? I have two dehumdifiers and they battle at the lower temperatures, cycling in and out of de-ice mode for 20 minutes in every 60 giving a see-saw of low/high RH.

The dehumidifier people say that I have to increase temperature to 18-20 degrees C but I would rather stay at the lower levels. My chocolate won't polish as well as I'd like it to.

Any thoughts please?

Thanks!

Colin


updated by @Colin Green: 04/11/25 09:27:36
mohiddin  ghouse
@mohiddin ghouse
08/11/12 02:50:14
2 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Good day to you.

I am in the process of setting up a cocoa beans processing plant of 1000 mt per year.

kindly advise me the plant cost and the availability. I am a small scale enterprenuer.

our farmers gather beans and we intend buy from them for processing till powder/butter stage and then sell the chocolate companies who will assess the quality by deputing their personnel in the plant.

reagrds

Mohiddin/Hyderabad/India - e mail: ghouse8@gmail.com

corinne mendelson
@corinne mendelson
07/12/12 09:43:39
20 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you very much for your help! I am a very little artisan ans i don't need the machine to work for 8 hours a day i envy you a little to read that you have so much work in chocolate making but i am not sur i really want to become so big. My problem is that i can"t seem to be able to have tempered chocolate long enough to enable me to work and fill enough moulds and then to cover the ones i filled the day before, it is very difficult to temper by hand 4 to 5 times a day and it is very frustrating. Don't misunderstand me i love making this tempering it really soothes me but well, it is a little difficult. I am not sure i need a Pavoni because it is expensive in comparison to others machines and now you told me there is problems with their motors... though I am very far from your quantities i don't want to make a mistake and throw away my money.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
07/12/12 01:18:40
527 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I have 4 of them.

There are flaws in the design of the machine which I have notified the manufacturer about and will share here:

1. The control board (circuit board) is in the same compartment as the heat and fan. My staff use the machines 8 hours per day, every day. As a result they are subject to very significant heat fluctuations, and EVERY control board in EVERY machine has failed due to lack of protection. I have modified one of our machines to include a barrier between the heating compartment and the control board, and then added a cooling fan and vent opening to the bottom of the machine in the cooling board area. The fan turns on every time the light bulbs turn on to heat the machine. I have done this just a few weeks ago, so it will take 3-4 months to find out if the consistent temperature now maintained is going to save the new control board.

2. The machine has 5 program cycles, which are very helpful in managing the viscosity of the chocolate throughout the day. We start with one "temper" cycle, and then throughout the day as we work with the chocolate it continues tothicken (crystalize). We then have 3 other programs which increase the working temperature of the chocolate by one degree at a time. My staff can very easily control the viscosity of the chocolate as they work with it. However, there is a significant problem with the programming: Every program has a heat/cool/reheat cycle. The minutea newprogram starts, the bowl stops spinning regardless of whether the chocolate is too warm to start with, or needs heating to reach the first temperature mark. REALLY REALLY BAD DESIGN. Our chocolate is already thick and crystalized!!! Having it sit there motionless for a few minutes will cause it to solidify in the bowl. The heat created by the light bulbs on the paused bowl of chocolate takes the chocolate out of temper. Yes... There is a motor "over-ride" button on the side of the machine which allows an operator to press it and start the bowl turning. HOWEVER the switch doesn't lock down. The operator has to stand there, with their finger on the button until all the chocolate heats up! Are you kidding me???? I have swapped that stupidbutton out with one that actually turns on and off. My staff have better things to do than stand there several times a day for up to 15 minutes at atimeholding a button down!

3. Chocolate gets into the inner workings of the machine and into the motor. We have had to replace several destroyed motors as they aren't sealed, such as with the design of the Savage machines (which I also own two of and have been running 24/7 for 4 years without a single issue!).

There are also positives that I will share:

1. The overall construction is solid. ROCK solid. The case is polished stainless steeland easy to clean. I also have 6 ACMC machines and their plastic construction pales in comparison.

2. The ability to define your own pre-set programs is fabulous. If you are working with a consistent product, it takes all the guess work out of tempering and an unskilled worker can make properly tempered chocolate confections with very little instruction.

If I were to purchase more Pavoni's I would stipulate that the design flaws be rectified before I spent the money.

Hope that provides you with some insight.

Brad

corinne mendelson
@corinne mendelson
07/11/12 05:28:43
20 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

hi to everybody i hope that you will help me here to ! does everebody know something about the Pavoni mini temper (little but sophisticated tempering machine) i would like to buy one b ecause i think it suits me very well for the moment et later it can be of help for little quantities, but it is very expensive so i will like to know if soimebody has any experience with this machine?

corinne mendelson
@corinne mendelson
07/08/12 00:50:51
20 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

if i set the ac on 18c i think i will have a general temperature in the room of 20C, is it ok - i willjust have to plug out my display case and leave it...open or closed what do you say? thank you so much! it's so reassuring to see that i am not the only one to have a littke budget et problems. The real light at the tunnel end is that my chocolates are ok, tempering is good,i do it all by hand with the marble tempering method and i learn everyday, i am sorry if my english is not always very good, i leave in Israel but i am french and sometimes i write english but i think in french though i am also a diplomed translator! thank you all very much i appreciate your tips and i will try to ask our electrician if it's possible

cheers corinne

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
07/07/12 00:38:50
527 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I have seen modified cooling tunnels which use the type of air conditioner that fits in a regular window (Hilliards comes to mind). Hot air rises and cool air drops, so why not use one of those, and tastefully duct it over top of your confections when you are not in the shop? They often run 24/7, can cool a 700 square foot room easily. You could have it built into a box on wheels, and then using flexible ductwork vent the cold air output over your confections. Heck, you could even build it right into your cabinet! For cooling such a long time and a small space you wouldn't even need to run the air conditioner on "super cold" setting. This could be a great, portable, and economical solution, and like I said, if done tastefully, will not detract from the aesthetic appearance of your shop.

Cheers.

Brad

Elizabeth Falato
@Elizabeth Falato
07/06/12 16:32:30
3 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Corinne,

UGH! I just happened upon this post. I totally know what your dealing with! I had installed HVAC in my tiny shop which was 650ft but between customers opening the door (even though my ac guy factored inthat and the sun hitting my shop) in Chicago it would get soooo hot!

I had a dog groomer two doors down and the hair blowing out would sufficate my unit. Then, the cases would over work so I would call a refrigeration guy to refill the freonand cleanthe ac unitsjust because it was overworked.

I had 2 federal chocolate cases and the heat and humidity would still cause condensation on the front of the cases and we left our ac units on 24/7.

If you keep the chocolate in the fridge long term your screwed, or in that "chocolate display" your still faced with condensation which sucks when you are trying to control quality of the product.

When we were faced with the electricity going out we left them in our bun racks that had covers sealed and didn't touch them! The ones in the case we tried not to open the doors and yes, there would be casualties but there is always someone willing to eat free ugly chocolate.

You may have to look in your area and get a regular climate controlled chocolate case which as I stated the exterior will have condensation but the product will be fine. I know, probably doesn't help your situation but I know what your dealing with!

Good luck and hang in there!

corinne mendelson
@corinne mendelson
07/01/12 08:57:29
20 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you so much yesm sugar bloo; is exactly my problem ! a higher temperature won't work since it's very hot and humid outside. In fact i tried the higher temperature the problem is that this stupid little desktop is n ot able to keep any tmeperature for too long it has to cool down and then to refrgerate therfore the difference between temperature "kills" my pralines and truffles. I mus t say i am considering closing my little shop for the summer and concentrate on workshop for children and teen agers. Trouble is i don't know what desktop to buy, i mean from what company that will assure me, this time, a real desktop for pralines and not for cakes!

Sebastian
@Sebastian
07/01/12 07:20:33
754 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Shalom! Your problem, if i understand correctly, is that when you cycle your small display case on/off, it forms condensation. 14C is pretty cold if all you're trying to do is prevent bloom. One possible way to rethink this is to set it to a higher setting - say 25C - would that enable you to leave it on longer?

Of energy usage is your concern, you may wish to consider a peltier chiller for those times when you can't run your conventional air conditioning unit - i've never tried this, but perhaps get someone to modify your AC unit to switch back and forth between AC and Peltier heat removal? Thinking out loud here - i know both approach on their own will work, but require transferring of good from one to another. A hybrid unit may eliminate that - would need to test it to see if condensation is still a concern or not...

corinne mendelson
@corinne mendelson
07/01/12 00:21:40
20 posts

technical help


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

hi to everybody i am very new here and it is the first time i am writing something but i have been reading the discussions for sometime now. I am a little artisan chocolatier and i am a self made women in this field. I have a very little shop where i sell my chocolates. I live in a hot country and during the summer it is very very difficult to make chocolate (hot, hmidity and so on) of course i have ac in my shop but i can't leaveworking non stop day and night. I have a little counter refrigerator desktop that, according to the man who sold it to me was specially made for chocolate display (14 - 18C). In fact it seems it only suits for cakes and i have a very serious problem with cold qnd of course condesnsation. My question is : is there any possibility to transform this desktop in something suitable for chocolates, may be somethihng to do in the refrigerating system, i's just that it is very expensive and i don't think i will be able to buy another one so i would have to shut my little shop during the summer. Please help!


updated by @corinne mendelson: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Jim Greenberg
@Jim Greenberg
06/16/14 08:07:31
34 posts

Kitchen Aid Panning Attachment


Posted in: Geek Gear - Cool Tools (Read-Only)

Hi, Andy - the answers to your question are long, but the condensed version is that the Kitchen Aid attachment does not work due to the inappropriate angle of the bowl.

I sell new and used pans amongst our many offerings of confectionery machinery and have sold over 1000 table top pans that we build new. I can get you through the panning process quite easily. Email me jim@unionmachinery.com when you are ready to explore your options thanks.

Jim Greenberg, President

Union Confectionery Machinery

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